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When Worlds Collide: Obama To Meet Scott Walker In Milwaukee

Seeded on Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:00 AM EST
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President Obama visits Wisconsin today, as part of his tour of recent public appearances to promote his economic plans. And none other than Governor Scott Walker, a national conservative star, is scheduled to meet Obama at the Milwaukee airport, and also attend the President’s remarks at the factory of a local company, Master Lock.

Obama name-dropped Master Lock in his State of the Union address in January, as an example of jobs coming back to America — and unionized jobs, at that.

Obama declared:

We can’t bring every job back that’s left our shore. But right now, it’s getting more expensive to do business in places like China. Meanwhile, America is more productive. A few weeks ago, the CEO of Master Lock told me that it now makes business sense for him to bring jobs back home. (Applause.) Today, for the first time in 15 years, Master Lock’s unionized plant in Milwaukee is running at full capacity.

 

Meanwhile, Walker is the target of a recall election this year, after a signature campaign mounted by the state Democratic Party and organized labor, in a backlash against his anti-public employee union legislation and other parts of the state budget.

Second only to the presidential campaign, it will likely be the biggest and most expensive race in the country.

And just this past weekend, Walker delivered a headline speech at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington — and appealed to conservative activists there by specifically casting the recall as a national race, against liberal groups:

They understand that this recall election is about much more than who is the Governor of Wisconsin. In fact, it is even bigger than what it means for the elections in November of 2012.

This election is ultimately about courage. When we prevail, it will send a powerful message - not only in Madison but in Springfield and St. Paul; Columbus and Austin; and in state houses all across America. Most of all, it will send a message in the halls of Congress.

 

So will the political swords be laid down, at least for the duration of the presidential visit? Not on your life.

TPM asked state Democratic Party spokesman Graeme Zielinski for comment on Obama’s visit, and Walker’s scheduled attendance.

“Scott Walker has been busy bragging about how President Obama is ‘terrified’ of Walker’s illusory success in Wisconsin,” said Zielinski. “That’s nonsense. In fact, what Walker has done is unite progressives and Democrats behind not just Walker’s recall, but behind the President’s fight for the middle class.

“And, with all the time Walker has spent out-of-state shaking down sleazy corporate cash, we are frankly a little surprised to see has some time to spend in Wisconsin.”

 

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feliznavidad

Maybe Walker will call Jan Brewer and see how best to disrespect the President of the United States. Little bullies showboating since governance is beyond their capabilities.

  • 11 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:01 AM EST
Idj

So another Republican gets to play 'shoe-shine' boy for the GOP. Jan Brewer broke the gender bias thingy, when she played the shoe-shine GIRL recently, for the GOP; by acting like an UNCOUTH (female dog), by DISRESPECTING the office of the PRESIDENCY...

Well Scott, I'm sure the President will offer you a big TIP, if you make the buffering cloth pop, like good shoe-shine boys tend to do! LOL...

  • 5 votes
#1.1 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:18 AM EST
HappyToSeeYa

Today, for the first time in 15 years, Master Lock's unionized plant in Milwaukee is running at full capacity.

Well, now isn't this a pretty picture. The governor is union busting which galvanized the Wisconsin electorate against him.

This will definitely present another opportunity for a pinhead teapublicon to disrespect President Obama and raise money from the effort. It is also an opportunity demonstrating that President Obama is not afraid to encounter the opposition on their home turf.

  • 4 votes
#1.2 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:20 AM EST
Arieus

Another closed door meeting I presume. Isn't this what's been going on for a long time now with the Obama administration.

https://www.google.com/search?q=obama+closed+door+meetings

  • 1 vote
#1.3 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:08 AM EST
feliznavidad

Off topic, Arieus. Trying to divert, I see.

  • 1 vote
#1.4 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:40 PM EST
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Wizeguy

Governor Scott Walker, a national conservative star, is scheduled to meet Obama at the Milwaukee airport, and also attend the President’s remarks at the factory of a local company, Master Lock.

This is going to be good...I wonder what Scotts message will be to these "union" workers ..."nothing personal I don't hate you,,,just your Union that got you a living wage, benefits and a pension"..

  • 11 votes
Reply#2 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:21 AM EST
mymymy

Wizeguy @ #2

Governor Walker did not propose 'right to work' in Wisconsin - quite the contrary. His advisers wanted him to go that route. He understood that the real problem was government workers' unions and their ability to buy legislators to vote for their agenda. Act 10 changed all that.

  • 2 votes
#2.1 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:58 AM EST
Idj

Yeah, and act 11 will be when U S wages equal the median of China's...$2-$3 a hour, or $60-$70 a month, sounds about right???

  • 6 votes
#2.2 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:22 AM EST
Wizeguy

He understood that the real problem was government workers' union

Oh I get it he only hates Government Workers and their Unions....That is so much milarlky he is a puppet with his strings being pulled by the biggest union haters of all...the guys in charge of Kimberly Clark....

  • 4 votes
#2.3 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:51 AM EST
mymymy

Wizeguy @ 2.3

I am a retired state worker and a taxpayer and I agree with the changes in collective bargaining. I know the incredible benefits available to state workers. Most people would gasp if they had any idea of the many emoluments and the costs to maintain them.

I am glad of the changes because I think they will protect the Retirement Fund and the insurance benefits. These two costs were like Social Security and Medicare at a state level.

Even very blue states like California are being forced to look at similar requirements for their employees.

The thing that ruined the system was the direct collection of union dues from employees and sending them to the unions who used them to buy school boards all over the state and elect legislators who would vote for the unions' benefits. Where is the taxpayers' protection in all this?

  • 1 vote
#2.4 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:01 AM EST
feliznavidad

mymymy -- reform yes -- eliminating bargaining rights entirely -- no. The truth is that the republican party wants to eliminate unions because they are the only successful option for fundraising that can counter the obscenely wealthy who are funding their campaigns and pacts. Do you really want our country to become an oligarchy run by the obscenely wealthy? Walker is being used by the powers in the party to provide a template for the elimination of all unions through out the nation.

  • 3 votes
#2.5 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:05 AM EST
Idj

@#2.4

So what's stopping you from giving all your unearned 'perks' BACK? Just asking??? Oh, I see, you got yours ,hell with everybody else: the republican's preferred CLASS WARFARE thingy!

This sounds like a Teabagger! Don't even think about messing with my Medicare and Social Security and pension; but, 'we don't have a tax problem- we have a spending problem', that must absolutely be dealt with???

Or is this the reallity of "WE HAVE FOUND THE ENEMY, IT IS US...

  • 3 votes
#2.6 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:14 AM EST
mymymy

feliz @ 2.5

Honestly, I would like to indulge in a discussion of that sort, but I find the hyperbole and the name-calling from the left so OTT, that I rarely even participate in threads like this.

I know most of the people I talk to are just appalled at the tactics of the unions. This business where the Teaching Assistants union disrupted 3 properly scheduled weddings yesterday, with the collusion of the Chief of the Capitol Police, is but the latest behavior that simply goes too far. Wisconsinites are a very polite crowd as a whole, and find this milieu created by over-zealous unions to be very distasteful.

I know I have squeezed my budget to donate funds to those who have been targeted for recall and I have volunteered to verify the recall petitions. These are the kinds of activities that citizens should engage in, not hounding the governor's children and wife. Not deafening the workers in the Capitol with vuvuzelas. Not disrupting a Special Olympics event. Not bullying small business owners. Not following the governor to Texas to embarrass him. It's all just too much.

  • 1 vote
#2.7 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:27 AM EST
Wizeguy

@ mymymy #2.4.....

I am a retired state worker and a taxpayer and I agree with the changes in collective bargaining

I am a Retired State Worker (Flora-Duh) no unions here....but to chop it to pieces take away the right to bargain...no no no....not on my watch....Draconian nonsense!!!!

  • 4 votes
#2.8 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:37 AM EST
feliznavidad

mymymy at #2.7

I would like to indulge in a discussion of that sort, but I find the hyperbole and the name-calling from the left so OTT, that I rarely even participate in threads like this.

Excuse me -- what name did I call you? You can't respond to my query because I called you a name? If you don't want to participate in the discussion initiated by my post, then don't come by and post your opinions. There's supposed to be some give and take here. If you are too weary to respond to other viners, because we are not deserving of a response from you, then your only purpose here is what? If the Kochs can buy elections with no challenge from the "left" -- if that's what you need to call the people-- then we [the USA] become an oligarchy. What's over the top is the lengths to which the Kochs and their ilk will go to buy elections and dictate the lawmaking of the states. All that is documented. The world you would devise - with no unions -- simply makes their ability to purchase elections and legislators -- cheaper.

  • 3 votes
#2.9 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:25 PM EST
mymymy

feliz @ 2.9

No, you didn't call names. But the repeated use of the word 'obscene' and the word oligarchy and the word 'ilk' and dragging the Koch brothers into it indicate that it wouldn't be a a reasoned discussion - it would be overly-emotional. That kind of discussion is not productive.

It's not that I don't think another person worthy, I just don't think that trying to reason with someone who is determined to rely on emotions in an argument is a fool's errand.

  • 1 vote
#2.10 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:32 PM EST
mymymy

wizeguy @ 2.8

No state income tax in Florida, right? Lucky Floridians.

The thing is, wize, the unions would not compromise. They claim they would have made concessions 'if only Governor Walker' had waited. Applesauce. As soon as Act 10 was passed, the unions rushed to as many school boards as they had control of in the state and locked in their contracts.

For the most part, the teachers are not paying their share yet. The regular state workers are.

In WI, health insurance premiums were $25 per month for single and $50 per month for family. Would anyone here like to say what their health insurance premiums are per month? And do they have the same kind of Cadillac, nay - Rolls Royce coverage that state workers have?

  • 1 vote
#2.11 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:37 PM EST
feliznavidad

So it offends you to refer to the Koch brothers and their ilk? What do you call a group of like minded people? Here's the dictionary definition:

ilk

1    [ilk] Show IPA

noun
1.
family, class, or kind: he and all his ilk.

Your over sensitivity to such an innocuous word about two people prominently in the news is overly emotional and not productive.

Obscenely wealthy -- they aren't? How wealthy do you have to be -- how greedy -- before it becomes obscene? Isn't this what Christ meant when he said that it is easier for the camel to pass through the eye of a needle than the rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven? You just don't want to engage in a give and take here because you know that factually you are not really on firm ground.

  • 4 votes
#2.12 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:46 PM EST
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michelle-1073610

One thing I know for sure, Pres. Obama will treat Walker with dignity, Walker? Not so much. This should be really good. The Pres. will be in Walker's face, with a union group to back him up. Walker is boxed in with the recall facing him in a couple of months, and the FBI investigation of him and his cronies, ongoing and getting closer to Walker everyday. High drama. LOL

  • 5 votes
Reply#3 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:34 AM EST
mymymy

Governor Walker is a very classy person - if anything goes awry in their joint appearance, it will be down to the unions or President Obama.

    Reply#4 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:49 AM EST
    Minan59

    Governor Walker is a very classy classless person - if anything goes awry in their joint appearance, it will be down to Walker or his fascist thugs.

    • 5 votes
    #4.1 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:59 AM EST
    mymymy

    Minan59

    These are the facist thugs - the protesters and the unions who collude with them. No respect for anyone. Not the Special Olympics or people planning to marry in the Capitol Rotunda.

    The majority of people in the state are sick of the tyranny of the unionistas.

    • 1 vote
    #4.2 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:04 AM EST
    Minan59

    - Fourteen Characteristics of Fascism -

    10. Labor Power is Suppressed Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

    http://www.fascismusa.com/

    Historically fascists have always hated unions, and Walker's regime is no no different. Fortunately Walker is going to be removed from office in the not to distant future whether by recall or by handcuffs is yet to be seen.

    • 7 votes
    #4.3 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:20 AM EST
    feliznavidad

    Classy? You mean he licks the boots with mega millions, like the Kochs? Classy -- as in division by class?

    • 5 votes
    #4.4 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:21 AM EST
    feliznavidad

    mymymy at #4.2 -- If anyone deserves to be called "facists thugs" Walker and his felonious friends fit the bill.

    • 4 votes
    #4.5 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:22 AM EST
    Idj

    This is not a joint appearance. The President covers all 50 States, and Territories, and all Americans. Scott,'Luke Sky' Walker, is a lackey,bought and paid for, by a minor shard of our Politic. He doesn't even represent the majority of the citizens of Wisconsin; evident with the re-call effort!

    After shinning the President's shoes, Scott,'Luke Sky', Walker should then kiss them,in gratitude, for being able to be in the President's immediate space...after all, it's rare for people like Walker, to get so close to REAL LEADERSHIP...

    • 7 votes
    #4.6 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:39 AM EST
    feliznavidad

    Absolutely, ldj. Walker should be oh-s0-grateful for the opportunity he has meeting the President. For one thing, he may be begging him for a pardon from his prison cell someday. But all citizens feel great respect for the Office of the President -- except right-wingers. Predict that Walker will act like a right wing dork, most likely.

    • 6 votes
    #4.7 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:42 AM EST
    Reply
    Rorschach-558483

    yo, Scott? Do you hear the clock ticking? It's for you.

    Tick. Tick. Tick.

    • 6 votes
    Reply#5 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:49 AM EST
    mymymy

    Rorschach @5

    I wouldn't count my chickens - I worked on the Verify the Recall project and there were way fewer signatures than bragged about. Not that I think the recall will fail - I think there will be an election - and with a little luck, the state will finally get some peace and quiet when Gov. Walker is re-elected.

    In most cases, a recall petition carried 3 or fewer signatures. If the signature count claimed by the recall effort was based on page count, the real # of signatures is fare below the 1 million claimed. (And that's before any challenge.)

    • 1 vote
    #5.1 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:55 AM EST
    michelle-1073610

    mymymy, you are making up stuff, the recall petitions were verified before they were submitted, more people signed up to recall Walker, than the number who voted for him in 2010. And I don't believe you worked on the recall count, either. Fake.

    • 9 votes
    #5.2 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:12 AM EST
    mymymy

    michelle @ 5.2

    I didn't say I worked on the recall count. I said I worked on the Verify the Recall project. I was one of the many thousands who volunteered to enter names from the petitions into a searchable database. We worked from scans of the recall petitions. In most cases, the petitions were only 5 line petitions, not the usual 10 line petition. And in all the data entry I did, I saw very few full petitions. Most had 4 or fewer names on them.

    When the recall movement turned in the petitions, they cited the number of pages. This will explain it far better than I could.

    • 1 vote
    #5.3 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:26 AM EST
    PaPa23

    mymymy, maybe you can explain about Verify and what is described in the article linked.

    http://yunkerm.newsvine.com/_news/2012/02/14/10405922-how-the-republicans-are-trying-to-cheat-the-recall-elections-in-wisconsin

    • 2 votes
    #5.4 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:00 AM EST
    mymymy

    PaPa @ 5.4

    You want me to 'explain' an article I can't read (404 error) and/or the inaccurate and biased comments of the thread?

    I think I'll take a pass on that.

    • 2 votes
    #5.5 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:08 AM EST
    Idj

    Go deep, we need a Hail Mary???

    • 3 votes
    #5.6 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:19 AM EST
    PaPa23

    I just clicked on the link three times and it worked each time. I suspect that your comments you consider to be unbiased. And your claim that there aren't near as many signatures as claimed can be verified by how many of the petition pages you were able to peruse. I suspect you didn't see anywhere near the tons (actual measured weight of petitions submitted) of petition pages submitted.

    You might just as well take a pass as your mind appears to be closed already.

    • 5 votes
    #5.7 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:19 AM EST
    mymymy

    PaPa @ 5.7

    I even switched to MS Explorer to see if the link would work there, it came up "page not found". If you want to paste the article in its entirety here or copy the link clean from the article site and post it here, I will be glad to look at it. Perhaps the original article is in your cache?

    • 1 vote
    #5.8 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:29 AM EST
    feliznavidad

    Me, too PaPa 23. The link works fine. I think mymymy just does not want to read it. Because he/she worked on the counting doesn't mean he/she got the big picture. How many pages of three signatures that he/she allegedly saw represent the whole? Perhaps one in 600,000. Who knows?

    • 5 votes
    #5.9 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:30 AM EST
    mymymy

    feliz @ 5.9

    If you will take a look at the link I posted in 5.3, you will see the average signatures per page of the senatorial recalls and you may already know that the Fitzgerald recall is likely to fail. You can think what you like, I know how many hours I put in on data entry and how many petitions held only one or two signatures per page (most of the ones I entered).

    We have only to wait to see how things play out. As I said, I think, with the help of the Government Accountability Board, the recall will go to an election for Governor Walker and I believe he will win.

    The thousands of us who spent our own time, for free, to enter the names from all the petitions submitted will go to the polls and let our wishes be known.

      #5.10 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:40 AM EST
      feliznavidad

      I thought we were talking about the Walker recall here.

      • 5 votes
      #5.11 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:56 AM EST
      b dune

      mymymy

      In post #2.7 you say "I rarely participate in threads like these"....

      I can see why - you aren't very good at it!

      • 3 votes
      #5.12 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 2:50 PM EST
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      Better Careful

      Will Walker be another drama queen like Brewer and posture for the faithful? He has the technology, and the audience.

      I think the right-wing hates unions over power. They cannot accept workers having any power or control over their work, workplace, and lives. It's an authoritarian thing with the right-wing.

      Tell an authoritarian to @!$%# OFF. It's a patriotic act.

      • 6 votes
      Reply#6 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:51 AM EST
      Susan-649485

      The only question is: What lies will Walker tell about the encounter?

      • 6 votes
      Reply#7 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 8:30 AM EST
      ScienceGuy-356641

      Is Walker hoping for his "Brewer moment"?

      • 5 votes
      Reply#8 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:23 AM EST
      Idj

      @#7

      Who cares? The perception, as you stated, he will be lieing...which fits in nicely with the republican's mantra; lie steal cheat, blink three times, repeat process!

      • 4 votes
      Reply#9 - Wed Feb 15, 2012 9:23 AM EST
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